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Anyone who is a reader of this blog knows that I am not an advice columnist.  The only advice I’ve ever given here on this blog are my cheeky wurdz of WIZdum.  They are not meant to be followed.  And the only people from whom I seek relationship advice are those who are in relationships.  By my own standard, I am not qualified to give dating and relationship advice.  This doesn’t mean that I don’t have opinions.  It also means that when someone asks for my advice, I take that responsibility very seriously and thoughtfully.

Over the past year, many readers have written asking for my advice.  Such a funny thing, I always think.  How can they read of my failures and think that I would know the first thing about what to do?  But still, they have taken their own valuable time to reach out to me and that is worthy of my thought, compassion, empathy and time.  I always respond.  I don’t always know what to say.

But this week, I did.  And the question that had been posed was so very interesting to me because it really got me thinking about some of the fundamental differences about men and women.  The nuances of communication that must be learned.  That the innocent-seeming first thought isn’t always the right thing to say.  I took my time crafting the most thoughtful advice I could offer, and when I’d finished, I’d learned something about myself that I wasn’t sure I’d known before having had to articulate it.  For that reason, I wanted to share it with you, and my reader was kind enough to grant his permission to do so.

Kevin wrote:

I’m not sure if you can offer advice on my situation but I thought I’d give it a try.  If you have the time and the interest, I describe the incident below.  Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

I met a really attractive and intelligent woman at a party a few weeks ago.  She was in her early thirties (I’m 27) and seemed very educated and sophisticated.  She had classic curves and was wearing an outfit that really flattered her figure.  We had been talking for about a half hour and really seemed to develop a great rapport.  We had even made tentative plans to meet for coffee sometime.

Then, things suddenly went downhill. There was a pause in the conversation and I commented that she had a “really nice, hourglass figure”.  I thought she would take it as a compliment but instead she became deeply offended.  She said, “Excuse me?  Why are you talking about my figure?”  I went into damage control mode and tried to clarify my comments but I think I only exacerbated things as she rolled her eyes and shook her head.  She told me I was being “inappropriate” and that she was “very disappointed” and started to walk away….then she came back and with a look of complete disgust, WHAP!, she slapped my face and departed.

As I stood there alone rubbing my cheek, I was trying to figure out why she was so upset.  It seemed like a harmless comment to me but maybe I don’t understand women as well I should.  I do have her email address.  Do you think I should send her an apology note or should I interpret the slap in the face as a definitive way of saying she wants no further contact?

I took some time to think about this, and to be honest, after an uncomfortable period of time had lapsed with no response from me, I sat down and let my fingers do the talking.  And in so doing, I learned a little bit about my own boundaries, needs and expectations.

Here’s what came out:

Hi Kevin!

Thanks for writing (and for reading!)

I’m sorry to hear about your uncomfortable situation, and I wish that I were qualified to help, but the fact of the matter is that I am not an advice columnist and, as I’m sure you can gather from my tales, hardly an expert in getting things right with the opposite sex.  That having been said, I will offer you my opinion considering that you took some of your valuable time to ask for it.

It’s a tricky and delicate thing, getting to know someone, interacting with a new person, learning what pleases and displeases them, makes them tick, appalls and delights them.  It takes time to build intimacy.  And when I say intimacy, I am not referring to hopping into the sack.  I’m talking about the level of comfort and rapport between two people that allows them to behave familiarly with one another.

The thing about us (people) is that we all have baggage.  We all have our special features, hidden compartments, nicks and scratches.  We all have our own protective layers and boundaries.

I say this because what you intended as a compliment crossed a boundary, and most especially, hers.  While I hardly think that your words were deserving of a slap across the face, I can understand, to some extent, her reaction.

The thing you can’t know, Kevin, is what it feels like to be a woman – just as I can’t know what the day to day male experience is.

I happen to love being a woman, but as with most things in life, it comes complete with its challenges, least of which is being objectified by men.  You’ve seen it happen, I’m sure, all around you.  Men who whistle, catcall, ogle, and stare among other things.  Sir Mix-a-Lot, The Commodores, ACDC and countless others have put it in song.  I grew up listening to my guy friends rate different girls’ bodies.  We know you stare at our asses when we walk past and sometimes fail to look at our eyes, opting instead for our breasts.  And sometimes we like it.  But certainly not overtly, and sometimes not until you’ve earned that right.

The thing about complimenting a woman’s figure, is that it is intimate and sexually charged.  By complimenting a woman’s “hourglass” figure, you are making a statement, intended or not, about her breasts, waist and hips, and that’s a fairly personal thing to do.  As I’m sure you know from your own friends, family and life experience, a LOT of people have body issues.  Things we are insecure about.  Men who worry about hair loss and height and penis size.  Women who obsess over weight and skin and breast size.

While the words you used were seemingly innocent and polite, what she heard, and what you meant (I think you would agree if you are honest with yourself), is that her tits and ass looked good to you.  And there’s nothing either innocent or polite in that comment.  It would be perfectly appropriate for me to say within 30 minutes of meeting you that I love your smile.  But imagine if I told you that your pants show off your package wonderfully.  There’s only one thing you would be able to gather from a statement like that: and that would be that I am thinking of fucking you.  THAT’S what she heard.

A woman wants to know that she’s being listened to, admired, and enjoyed not coveted or objectified.  Yes, we do want to be attractive to you and we need you to tell us this.  But my unqualified, amateur advice would be that compliments are best kept to the things a woman puts out in the open for you to see.  In other words, if you want to compliment a woman, tell her she has wonderful eyes, hair or a great smile.  Tell her that she’s pretty or beautiful, stunning or breathtaking.  Tell her that she’s charming.  Tell her you like her laugh.  Her voice.  Her dress.  Her sense of humor.  The way she speaks.  Tell her you like her soft hands when she gives them to you to hold.  Tell her you that love her lips after she has used them to kiss you.  Stay away from things that are overtly sexual or can be construed as sexual.  If you want to compliment a woman’s body, wait to do so until she has shown you her body, or at the very least until you know her well enough to know that she wants to hear it.

As for further contact with this woman, if you think, after reading this, that you might understand why and how you upset her, and you feel a genuine regret for having upset her, then she may well appreciate your sincere explanation and apology.  Maybe you’ll hear back from her.  Maybe you won’t.  But that is not the reason to contact her.  The reason is for your own personal growth, compassion and empathy.  The only reason to contact her is for your own need to do so.  Any other agenda is destined to fail because she already believes you have an agenda, and she clearly didn’t like it.

I hope my words are helpful to you, Kevin, and I hope you’ll let me know what you decide to do, and how things work out either with her, or the next time you meet a lovely woman :-)

Warmly,
Staci


In the end, Kevin did write to apologize to the woman he’d offended.  She thanked him for his apology and stated that she’d prefer not to see him again.  She went on to say that what had passed was in the past with no hard feelings and that she hoped that Kevin would learn from this experience.

I knew that he had.  And so had I.


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  1. LadyM on Saturday 20, 2010

    Hi.

    First off, I’d like to saythat I really enjoy your blog and reading your writing. As I was reading this post and you got to the question I had to do a double take. I actually received the same email in my inbox tonight from somebody named Kevin. I was actually JUST thinking about answering him but now I’m a bit weary. .

  2. Lucky Girl on Saturday 20, 2010

    Ah, Lady M, thank you so much for your kind words! You are right to be weary. In the 5 short hours since posting this exchange, four people have contacted me to tell me that they’ve received the same letter from Kevin. So you are right to be weary, and also to ignore him. It seems this story is over a year old, and your guess is as good as mine as to why he is sending this to all of us, or even if it’s true.

    My first instinct was to remove this post, but the truth is, I like what I learned about myself in answering his dilemma regardless of whether or not it was real or invented, and so I have decided to allow it to remain.

    I don’t know whether or not the tale Kevin’s woven is a true one. If it is, I must assume it’s not the first time he’s been slapped across the face nor will it be his last. If it’s not, then I’m sure someone will eventually if they haven’t already.

    Thanks for writing to let me know!
    xxoo
    LG

  3. Sam on Saturday 20, 2010

    Hi LG

    I thought your reply to the poster was bang on.

    However, I take issue with your statement that single people are not qualified to give relationship advice. I’m single, but I’ve had many relationships, and I’ve learned from them all. I am, in fact, wiser about relationships because of it.

    I work with children, and I often give parenting advice – even though I’m not a parent. Sounds counterintuitive, but it’s not. Not having children of my own isn’t a weakness or deficiency on my part – just like being single at the moment doesn’t mean I’m lousy at relationships. In fact, I can give much more objective advice than someone wrapped up in love themselves (or their children’s problems).

    Personally, I would not take relationship advice from someone who has never been in one, but someone who has been in many, even if currently single, would have a valuable perspective.

  4. Lucky Girl on Saturday 20, 2010

    Sam, thanks for your thoughtful comment. I agree with you wholeheartedly that past relationships are an incredible teacher and that like you, I am wiser from my experience. I would even go a step farther to say that I am wiser from my observation of others’ experiences. I’d like to clarify, that I did not make the statement that single people are unqualified to give relationship advice, merely that I believe that I am. That because I prefer to take my own relationship advice from people who are in relationships, handing out my words of wisdom, like the inside of a fortune cookie to everyone who came calling, would be hypocritical at best and irresponsible at worst. I have opinions and life experiences, just as you do. As we all do.

    And so, when the people in my life ask for my advice, I take that responsibility with great seriousness. I do my best to offer the most thoughtful, personal, applicable guidance that I can in those cases. At the end of the day, no one gets it right all the time. “Iron Clad” advice doesn’t exist with concerns of the soul. There is no “if a then b” formula in matters of the heart. There is only trial and error. We can all learn from our own experience as well as from the wisdom of others. And knowing that is why I even bother to offer advice when asked for it.

    All that having been said, I don’t doubt the objectivity and value in the advice you give, and I’m sure the people who are lucky enough to receive it know this first hand :-)
    xxoo

  5. Caleb on Saturday 20, 2010

    Great exchange!

    I understand you when you talk about the difficulties being a woman and being objectified all the time. I think your advice was spot on in that area. However, I would take it a step in a different direction.

    What I saw was an exchange between two nice, interesting, and funny people that had just met. If they were talking for 30 minutes, then it was evident that there really was some connection and a rapport.

    Kevin says a comment that she apparently thought was very insensitive, but he didn’t know her well enough to know where her boundaries are. He didn’t mean it in any sort of a negative way, and after spending a half hour proving he was decent guy, she assumes because of one comment that he must actually be a prick, and then goes to the extreme step of actually slapping him in the face. So much for a reasonable discussion or giving a someone the benefit of the doubt.

    I say WTF ever, bitch. If you soured on me over a comment that I obviously didn’t mean in a bad way, you have the right to tell me so, not talk to me, and walk away. But slap me in the face? Like I was some sort of rude boorish prick? Absolutely not. I would have been upset.

    I don’t blame Kevin for writing her a note if he wanted to clear things up, but if he ever actually wants to date her and asks you for advice about it, please- please, oh please- remind him that she is a finicky psycho and to stay away. Judge his comment one way or the other and we could generate a discussion about it and both have valid points. Judge her reaction to the situation and it’s easy to see that this is a woman who is going to snap on your for no reason, control you and everything you say, and most likely make your life hell. So no. Kevin- never,ever, date this woman.

    Thanks for putting this out there! Fun Sunday reading.

    Caleb

  6. Lucky Girl on Saturday 20, 2010

    Caleb, I tend to agree that slapping someone across the face for a misappropriated, miscalculated compliment is overkill. In my 39 years on this earth, I have never slapped anyone across the face. And I’ve encountered some who probably deserved it. That’s just not my style.

    My first thought upon reading Kevin’s note was that this woman was not wrong in being offended, but had overreacted in her response. I agree with you that a tongue lashing (and not an open-handed wallop) is the more appropriate response to any verbal indignity, and I believe that just as Kevin crossed a boundary, so did she.

    However, the question now, if you have read the above comments, is whether Kevin’s story ever really happened, as it appears that he has been circulating this letter around to multiple dating bloggers for more than a year (that I know about). So considering the fact that he is out there toying with all of us, if this woman exists and will make his life hell, then I say ” Go for it, Kevin.” Or whoever you are…

  7. Mary on Saturday 20, 2010

    Forget the fact that the letter may be bogus, your response was perfect!!! Although, I would have to say if you have confidence in yourself, a mere blundered compliment should not fluster anyone!

    I DO NOT have an hourglass figure, and the compliments I have received range from, “you are very athletic looking”, “you look fit”, “you have really broad shoulders and a swimmers body”, “you have very muscular legs”. None of which I find the least bit complimentary. But a compliment is a compliment no matter how poorly delivered.

    The worse the compliment the more opportunity to use my wit or sharp tongue…”all the better to snap you in half with” usually puts them on the back foot!

    Just my 2cents.
    Mary

  8. International Woman of Mystery on Saturday 20, 2010

    Fabulous advice! I think you could be an advice columnist after all. So well written and well said. And who cares if Kevin is real or not. He inspired an honest, truthful and well written response from you – where you learned something about yourself as well. And that’s what matters. And maybe that was his only agenda after all…

  9. Catherine on Saturday 20, 2010

    Wow, I got the same letter too! I also spent my time responding. That’s pretty annoying.
    My response focused more on how she might have felt like “hourglass” meant “fat.” I’ve always been really sensitive about my weight, and I feel like descriptions of hourglass or volumptuous always mean heavy or overweight. But I really liked your approach as well.

    Wonder why he does this??

  10. Frenk Stayl on Saturday 20, 2010

    I’d like to say that I really enjoy your blog and reading your writing.